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and so whether it is through mr. pecker and 30 others or mr. pecker and 45 others, the government ought not really care. they should take their time and get their case in because by the way, you don't get to do it again if you lose. >> is more better? more people saying the same thing? >> well, for a case like this, yes. at the end, they'll tie each one together. they'll connect the dots. >> this is a bit of an overstatement, catherine, i used to say there is no such thing as too much evidence. >> yes. >> so such thing as overtrying your case. >> catherine christian, chuck rosenberg, you'll stay with me. in 60 seconds, a fiery back and forth over whether or not trump violated his gag order. so how will judge merchan rule and what does it mean for the case going forward? and what does it mean for the case going forward oid eye disea, or t-e-d, which may need a different doctor. find a t-e-d eye specialist at isitted.com. it's time to feed the dogs real food, not highly processed pellets. the farmer's dog is fresh food made with whole meat and ve
and so whether it is through mr. pecker and 30 others or mr. pecker and 45 others, the government ought not really care. they should take their time and get their case in because by the way, you don't get to do it again if you lose. >> is more better? more people saying the same thing? >> well, for a case like this, yes. at the end, they'll tie each one together. they'll connect the dots. >> this is a bit of an overstatement, catherine, i used to say there is no such thing as...
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>> i think mr. pecker will be on the stand for a while today. he was almost apologetic to mr. trump referring to him as a mentor, it seemed as though he seemed to be intending to be very favorable to mr. trump, as much as he possibly could under the circumstances. i think we'll see the defense try to play that out as much as possible. play out a lot of these comparisons. in terms of what will be the next witnesses, the defense needs to know who is going to come up next. there is a great deal of preparation that goes into each witness. a dynamic trial. if the judge wants to stay on path and wants the defense to have an adequate opportunity to cross-examine and to go along with the court schedule, they need to know days in advance who is coming up. >> dana: what's next after david pecker? do we know who the next witness is? there is not court on monday but next week they get back to it. where do you go if you are the prosecution after david pecker? >> i think they started with him to start where it all started. to start with the idea this is where the plan began and where the in
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one key, for example, steinglass, is that true, mr. pecker? was that your purpose in locking up the karen mcdougal story, to influence the election? to which pecker replied yes. that came after trump's defense team in cross examination tried painting the picture that what the "national enquirer" did for trump in 2016 was just business. nbc's vaughn hillyard is reporting from outside the courthouse in new york city. also with us, paul butler, former federal prosecutor, georgetown school of law professor and an msnbc legal analyst, and tristan snell former assistant to attorney general for new york who led the trump university investigation. he is also the author of "taking down trump: 12 rules for prosecuting donald trump by someone who did it successfully." so vaughn, catch us up on the big moments so far and how trump has been reacting to what's unfolding. >> reporter: right, chris, the cross examination from donald trump's defense team ended after nearly four hours, and over the course of those four hours, this morning here you have the pros
one key, for example, steinglass, is that true, mr. pecker? was that your purpose in locking up the karen mcdougal story, to influence the election? to which pecker replied yes. that came after trump's defense team in cross examination tried painting the picture that what the "national enquirer" did for trump in 2016 was just business. nbc's vaughn hillyard is reporting from outside the courthouse in new york city. also with us, paul butler, former federal prosecutor, georgetown...
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>> well, mr. pecker is important to set the context. what mr. trump wanted to do was kill a story about an extramarital affair, and mr. pecker helped him do that, not just with stormy daniels but also with karen mcdougal. you start these tales in the beginning, josÉ, and the beginning here was the attempt to kill the story. then you had to pay to kill the story, and once you paid to kill the story you had to reflect the payments on your books, and when you reflected them in a fraudulent matter, you committed a crime, and when you committed that crime with the goal of committing another crime, that misdemeanor became a felony. where do you start when you are a prosecute? at the beginning. that's what mr. pecker is, the beginning. >> i remember when we just started covering this part of trump's many different legal crisis, there was a question about how strong this case was because of the differences and the mismeaner to felony county, one, whether time had passed -- what is it you, as a prosecution today, are starting to establish on that issue,
>> well, mr. pecker is important to set the context. what mr. trump wanted to do was kill a story about an extramarital affair, and mr. pecker helped him do that, not just with stormy daniels but also with karen mcdougal. you start these tales in the beginning, josÉ, and the beginning here was the attempt to kill the story. then you had to pay to kill the story, and once you paid to kill the story you had to reflect the payments on your books, and when you reflected them in a fraudulent...
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mr. pecker actually signed a nonprosecution agreement. so he can be prosecuted. that's what's probably in his head. >> judge jeanine: he'd be prosecuted and convicted because he agreed to testify a certain way. that's what it is. its immunity. >> harold: it's a nonprosecution agreement. they are different than, nonprosecution agreement. pecker testified today -- third thing is, he did the right thing, everything he had been saying all week long. waking up this morning and seeing him in harlem, a juxtaposition of that picture, it should say to the white house, even more of what you are trying, you've got to do more of. i don't understand why the president, president biden, won't release whatever executive orders he's going to do it on the border, he should be doing that now because i think what the president is doing, former president trump is doing is pretty effective outside of the courtroom before he goes in and even when he is up working with people or shaking hands with people, people
mr. pecker actually signed a nonprosecution agreement. so he can be prosecuted. that's what's probably in his head. >> judge jeanine: he'd be prosecuted and convicted because he agreed to testify a certain way. that's what it is. its immunity. >> harold: it's a nonprosecution agreement. they are different than, nonprosecution agreement. pecker testified today -- third thing is, he did the right thing, everything he had been saying all week long. waking up this morning and seeing him...
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pecker. i think there is going to be a belief from a legal standpoint -- i agree, legally -- the things they are talking about that mr. trump did, whether it is hush money or these relationships, none of that is illegal. what they are getting at and what i will be interested in seeing if they can make the case, they are not saying that was legal. what they are saying is there was a criminal conspiracy to influence the election through perhaps in-kind donation at other things. mr. pecker suggested -- no one is in the courtroom reporting what we are getting -- that they were affirmatively planting stories against some of the other opponents that mr. trump faced in 2016, mr. rubio and mr. cruz and others. the question will be legally does not constitute -- >> jesse: you are saying democrat campaigns don't coordinate with the media to plant stories? >> harold: if you listen, i am saying that. just listen to me once i can. mr. pecker is openly saying, he is laying out a narrative saying they were
pecker. i think there is going to be a belief from a legal standpoint -- i agree, legally -- the things they are talking about that mr. trump did, whether it is hush money or these relationships, none of that is illegal. what they are getting at and what i will be interested in seeing if they can make the case, they are not saying that was legal. what they are saying is there was a criminal conspiracy to influence the election through perhaps in-kind donation at other things. mr. pecker...
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mr pecker is openly saying and laying out a narrative saying that they talked about these things and mr trump was -- none of that was illegal but he was popular with women and these stories they were paying for journalism and all that kind of stuff. the question becomes if you were out peddling stories that you know are not true about other candidates, can that be perceived... this is just a fact, you can disagree with the analysis. >> who said that today? >> the prosecutor. this is there part of the indictment that was not talked about. this is the push. they are going to be good days and bad days per ton not saying that this can be the test but now i understand the case. but what -- what many upset over the last several days they've said that the federal prosecutors... that seems right. the question is does this other stuff, does this constitute a crime. this is the issue. we will see what happens. >> i think it's unfair to have a gag order on him. >> you know as well as anyone else that you can't possibly pick a jury or make an opening statement if you don't know what the crime is
mr pecker is openly saying and laying out a narrative saying that they talked about these things and mr trump was -- none of that was illegal but he was popular with women and these stories they were paying for journalism and all that kind of stuff. the question becomes if you were out peddling stories that you know are not true about other candidates, can that be perceived... this is just a fact, you can disagree with the analysis. >> who said that today? >> the prosecutor. this is...
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that ate up a lot of time so we didn't get a lot from mr. pecker. my impressions of him -- you'll see it in the transcript later today. he described himself as 72 years old. he's now self-employed as a consultant including consulting for the company that he used to run, but he doesn't run that company anymore. he did say he was at this proceeding under subpoena and he had a lawyer present in the courtroom. he's a physically small man, sort of slight. he looks just like he does in his pictures, but he's small, he's soft spoken. i would describe his speaking style, the way he answered questions from the prosecutor as somewhat elliptical. meaning he would be asked a direct question, he would give you the four corners of the room. that meant that the prosecutor had to ask him three or four times were you ultimately in charge of what stories were published in your publications or what stories were not published, the prosecute had to say, were you the one. he didn't use the words the buck stopped with me. the stories that were not published, that was ulti
that ate up a lot of time so we didn't get a lot from mr. pecker. my impressions of him -- you'll see it in the transcript later today. he described himself as 72 years old. he's now self-employed as a consultant including consulting for the company that he used to run, but he doesn't run that company anymore. he did say he was at this proceeding under subpoena and he had a lawyer present in the courtroom. he's a physically small man, sort of slight. he looks just like he does in his pictures,...
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>> reporter: pecker describing a meeting at trump tower in 2015 with mr. trump and his former fixer michael cohen, where pecker says he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt mr. trump, adding, "what i would do is publish positive stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents." the prosecution then showing the jury a series of glowing headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory ones making baseless claims about mr. trump's republican opponents, including ted cruz. pecker admitting today the enquirer made up a story about cruz's father and the man who assassinated jfk. also testifying his company paid a doorman $30,000 for a completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a child with his housekeeper so the doorman couldn't take the story elsewhere, trying to save mr. trump and the campaign the potential embarrassment. the day began with the judge taking the defense team to task over mr. trump's posts on social media targeting cohen and stormy daniels. the state seeking to hold mr. trump in criminal
>> reporter: pecker describing a meeting at trump tower in 2015 with mr. trump and his former fixer michael cohen, where pecker says he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt mr. trump, adding, "what i would do is publish positive stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents." the prosecution then showing the jury a series of glowing headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory ones making baseless claims about mr. trump's...
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not just about mr. pecker's relationship with mr. trump but how the newspaper, maybe that's not an accurate term, the periodical they publish would engage in catch and kill and would help mr. trump by killing certain stories and help mr. trump by running others that were unfavorable to his opponents, laying out that relationship in detail is important. it helps explain not just the context to the jury but why the jury should trust mr. pecker and others who will later corroborate this relationship when they get on the stand. the devil is in the details, andrea, and it seems to me smart to start off the trial this way. >> but andrew, that's not illegal. that's unethical. that's bad campaign. well, not bad campaign practice i guess if it works but certainly not journalistically ethical. that said, how do you get to the felony here? >> so it is important to know that this is the crime charged is false business records, but in order for this to be a felony, it's false business records that were part of a cover-up that was furthering and c
not just about mr. pecker's relationship with mr. trump but how the newspaper, maybe that's not an accurate term, the periodical they publish would engage in catch and kill and would help mr. trump by killing certain stories and help mr. trump by running others that were unfavorable to his opponents, laying out that relationship in detail is important. it helps explain not just the context to the jury but why the jury should trust mr. pecker and others who will later corroborate this...
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in court today this is how mr. pecker described that process. pecker, michael cohen would call me and say we would like you to run a negative article on let's say for argument sake, on ted cruz. that was the nature of our story and we'd embellish it from there. prosecutor steinglass, you would michael cohen would call you and say we would like you to run a negativewe story is that correc? >> pecker, yes. >> steinglass, who did you understand we to be referring to? pecker, michaelfe cohen told mee was not part of the campaign so i always assumed mr. trump. when he said we i always assumed he and mr. trump. david pecker and the national enquirer were by his own admission publishing the 2016 at the behest of donald trump at the direction of his lawyer. and then there was what mr. pecker was doinghe behinds the scenes to help trump's campaign. today they asked mr.picker about two negative stories about trump, stories the national enquirer purchased the exclusive rights to and then sat on so that the accusations against trump would not come out befor
in court today this is how mr. pecker described that process. pecker, michael cohen would call me and say we would like you to run a negative article on let's say for argument sake, on ted cruz. that was the nature of our story and we'd embellish it from there. prosecutor steinglass, you would michael cohen would call you and say we would like you to run a negativewe story is that correc? >> pecker, yes. >> steinglass, who did you understand we to be referring to? pecker, michaelfe...
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is that true mr. pecker that your purpose in locking up the mcdougal story to influence the election was the 2016 election? david pecker responses. yes. was that the reason you gave to your general counsel? david pecker responded, no. the other issue is the fec agreement. when you look at this, it was acknowledged by david pecker that in this conciliation agreement it was acknowledged by american media incorporated that an election violation was made. this is where the prosecution is in front of the jury heavily emphasizing that, yes, there could be all of these questions around the 2018 back and forth between david pecker, american media and federal prosecutors. ultimately, through that agreement with federal investigators and in this fec agreement, that both the foremost reason that the karen mcdougal agreement was made over the election and that an fec affiliation agreement, there's an acknowledge an illegal in-kind contribution was made. this is a chance for the prosecution to drive this home befo
is that true mr. pecker that your purpose in locking up the mcdougal story to influence the election was the 2016 election? david pecker responses. yes. was that the reason you gave to your general counsel? david pecker responded, no. the other issue is the fec agreement. when you look at this, it was acknowledged by david pecker that in this conciliation agreement it was acknowledged by american media incorporated that an election violation was made. this is where the prosecution is in front...
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pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker says trump called him. he says we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging pecker's credibility and business practices. at a campaign event earlier in the day, mr. trump addressed the testimony of his long-time friend. >> david has been very nice. a nice guy. >> did you give the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also testifying today about a payment his company did make to former "playboy" model karen mcdougal to keep her alleged affair
pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker says trump called him. he says we have an agreement with stormy daniels...
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david-pecker, i would describe mr. trump is very knowledgeable. i would describe him as a very detail-oriented, i would describe him as an almost, as a micromanager from what i saw, that he looked at every all of the aspects of whatever the issue was. neal katyal , andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, back with us. he's not a micromanager. he doesn't know who is putting what memos on what checks. >> yes, this is the standard defense when you have a leader on trial into the mechanics of the crime, it is a defense in an organized crime case, i was not on the scene, it's the defense, saying i don't know what the paperwork was, it is a standard argument that is made. of course it doesn't help that this is a small family business. we are not talking about enron, or an organized crime family, although there are some analogies that could be made. it's small. he couldn't possibly know will be a tough one given how small the group is, but testimony from a long-time friend who is saying positive things about him, that he is micromanager, is to get evidence for y
david-pecker, i would describe mr. trump is very knowledgeable. i would describe him as a very detail-oriented, i would describe him as an almost, as a micromanager from what i saw, that he looked at every all of the aspects of whatever the issue was. neal katyal , andrew weissman, adam klasfeld, back with us. he's not a micromanager. he doesn't know who is putting what memos on what checks. >> yes, this is the standard defense when you have a leader on trial into the mechanics of the...
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mr. pecker asaid he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt plump. atsdsing, what i would do is publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. ection exposing a series of headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory comments making baseless claims about his opponents including ted cruz. pecker admitted today and also testifying his company paid a doorman $30,000 for a completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a child with his housekeeper so the doorman couldn't take the story else where, trying to save mr. trump and the campaign the potential embarrassment. >> that was nbc's laura jarrett with that report. and joining us now is former assistant district attorney in manhattan catherine christian, and also an nbc legal analyst. thank you for joining us. let's just get your reaction to the david pecker testimony on the witness stand yesterday. how does it help the prosecution? >> it's very helpful, and it's not over yet. we haven't really even gotten to karen mcdougal, the playboy model who ami,
mr. pecker asaid he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt plump. atsdsing, what i would do is publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. ection exposing a series of headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory comments making baseless claims about his opponents including ted cruz. pecker admitted today and also testifying his company paid a doorman $30,000 for a completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a...
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pecker recalled saying he'd quote run or publish positive stories about mr. trump and published negative stories about his opponents on quote& if he heard of women's selling stories about mr. trump who he called an eligible bachelor, although he was married, pecker said that he would notify michael cohen and he'd have the stories. in other magazines. pecker also testified, quote, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought that there would be a lot of women who would come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known, is the most eligible bachelor and dated the most beautiful women, unquote. >> pecker also said, have you heard of women selling stories he'd notified cohen he'd had the stories killed. >> he said, i think it was a mutual benefit. it would help his campaign and it would also help me unquote the tactic discussed in that meeting. it's called catch and kill by somebody by the rights to a story. and instead of running it kill it. it's not illegal. it's not illegal at all. the practice of buying silence to squash an u
pecker recalled saying he'd quote run or publish positive stories about mr. trump and published negative stories about his opponents on quote& if he heard of women's selling stories about mr. trump who he called an eligible bachelor, although he was married, pecker said that he would notify michael cohen and he'd have the stories. in other magazines. pecker also testified, quote, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought that there would be a lot of women who would come out...
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do you know there was a mr. pecker giving evidence in a mr. pecker? >> i did not realise there was a mr. pecker. some of these names you couldn't actually, make up if you tried, could you, anyway , if you tried, could you, anyway, we are dewbs& co tonight, and as i said, we're with you till seven. it is about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. you can tweet me, you can email me. you can get yourself over to the website and go on gb news .com/ your say wherever you are tonight you're very welcome indeed, but lots of you by the way, have been getting in touch with me today, showing me your flags. i love a good flag, i do. let's have a look at this one, this is tom's. oh, that's look at that. he's wearing it. he's got it on his head. he's got it on, wrapped around his shoulders. very patriotic. would you like that one? who's this up next? barry, let's have a look at barry's glorious little set up there. very nice. who's next? dave? oh, double flagging it there. like it ? who's next? the
do you know there was a mr. pecker giving evidence in a mr. pecker? >> i did not realise there was a mr. pecker. some of these names you couldn't actually, make up if you tried, could you, anyway , if you tried, could you, anyway, we are dewbs& co tonight, and as i said, we're with you till seven. it is about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. you can tweet me, you can email me. you can get yourself over to the...
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pecker said he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said, we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging pecker's credibility and business practices. at a campaign event earlier in the day, mr. trump addressed the testimony of his long-time friend. >> david has been very nice, a nice guy. >> did you know about the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also testifying about a payment his company did make to former playboy model karen mcdougal, to keep her alleged affair with mr. trump quiet.
pecker said he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said, we have an agreement with stormy daniels that...
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>> well, he probably feels that mr. pecker crossed the line of loyalty. but, mr. pecker, frankly, did not cross the line of loyalty. i think when that plan was conceived, people had to know that in the event light was shined on that plan, everybody was going to have an obligation to protect themselves. so, my understanding is that mr. trump said the testimony was breathtaking and there were some mocking references to the testimony. but, i have had lunch with david before. i have respect for david, as a businessperson. i think david is a very wise person. he is a seasoned. i think you did the right thing in the court, by explaining to the people what actually happened. you could say, well, did he do the right thing by getting involved with mr. trump in the first place? i mean, listen, obviously, he probably wishes he didn't and regrets that he did that, but honestly, he is an honest person and gave very direct, very honest testimony. so, we will have to see what happens here. but, i know mr. trump well, well enough to know that he is upset and "mad," asked david pe
>> well, he probably feels that mr. pecker crossed the line of loyalty. but, mr. pecker, frankly, did not cross the line of loyalty. i think when that plan was conceived, people had to know that in the event light was shined on that plan, everybody was going to have an obligation to protect themselves. so, my understanding is that mr. trump said the testimony was breathtaking and there were some mocking references to the testimony. but, i have had lunch with david before. i have respect...
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pecker and mr. trump at which they planned some of this out and that it was not only stormy daniels who we've heard so much about, but also this former playboy model, karen mcdougal, and that that's what mr. pecker was doing, is that he was helping in getting bad stories out of the public eye. >> so now this all comes to the payments that were mislabeled, according to the prosecutors by trump, prosecutors allege trump reimbursed michael cohen, who paid off stormy daniels and was involved in negotiations between him and i think david pecker as well, what got michael? michael cohen was paid $420,000, daniels was paid $130,000 for her story. the defense is arguing, that trump paid him $420,000 to michael cohen in legal fees, so you can't. so involved in that legal fees would be the 130 that was paid for the payment that was made for stormy daniels and trump's lawyers are saying, look, these were just standard legal fees. that's why you can't classify this as him trying to cover up anything. what can yo
pecker and mr. trump at which they planned some of this out and that it was not only stormy daniels who we've heard so much about, but also this former playboy model, karen mcdougal, and that that's what mr. pecker was doing, is that he was helping in getting bad stories out of the public eye. >> so now this all comes to the payments that were mislabeled, according to the prosecutors by trump, prosecutors allege trump reimbursed michael cohen, who paid off stormy daniels and was involved...
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they will have documents, they have mr. pecker. they will have other people who will be able to say okay, maybe michael cohen, i can find him credible on this even though he's a lair. >> prosecution's going to have to find a way to defend that. >> they're also trump's own comments. he so often goes to the public and says things that are contrary to his legal interests. so it's not just michael cohen's testimony. i think there are things that he has said before that make this a less plausible defense than it might otherwise be. >> thank you very much. catherine, you're sticking around. after the break, what will judge merchan rule on the gag order? did donald trump violate it and if so, what is the punishment? and knowing full well what kind of client donald trump is, what are his lawyers actually, realistically advising him? >>> plus, what's happening on the campaign trial in florida as a six-week abortion ban is about to go into effect. we're back in 90 seconds. t. we're back in 90 seconds - so this is pickleball? - pickle! ah, th
they will have documents, they have mr. pecker. they will have other people who will be able to say okay, maybe michael cohen, i can find him credible on this even though he's a lair. >> prosecution's going to have to find a way to defend that. >> they're also trump's own comments. he so often goes to the public and says things that are contrary to his legal interests. so it's not just michael cohen's testimony. i think there are things that he has said before that make this a less...
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this is more corroboration for what michael cohen and mr. pecker has testified to. the campaign to keep negative information about the campaign from the public to unduly influence the election. >> they are looking, the jurors, at a screen showing these text messages between keith davidson and david howard. one of them is davidson's first text to howard about mcdougal. he says, i have a blockbuster trump story which referred to karen mcdougal's story. howard said, talk first thing. i will get you more than anyone for it. you know why. you know why. why would he say, you know why? >> hard to say without his context. i would imagine, it may have to do with what he believe ez could have secured financially for the story. >> here's is more from the court, from our reporters. both of the above text mention sajs are dated 6/7 sln 16. davidson says he understood at that time that ami had implicitly endorsed donald trump and that pecker and trump had both a friendship and a former business relationship. >> yeah. understanding number one the timing of it. you are talking abou
this is more corroboration for what michael cohen and mr. pecker has testified to. the campaign to keep negative information about the campaign from the public to unduly influence the election. >> they are looking, the jurors, at a screen showing these text messages between keith davidson and david howard. one of them is davidson's first text to howard about mcdougal. he says, i have a blockbuster trump story which referred to karen mcdougal's story. howard said, talk first thing. i will...
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so what happened with mr. pecker this week is he made in inroads with the prosecution to show that trump definitely wanted to alter the selection. that these are important election crimes. he did not care about hiding this from his family, but he cared about winning the election. so that really buttressed the prosecutions case and now they go about the important, steady, less exciting work about linking up the transactions officially occurred and false records were on the books of trump's company. >> this office, by the way, is good at doing because they do that another places. let's go back to the idea of david pecker. the defense team, the trump team was trying to make this come across as standard. this catch and kill idea is standard, happens to a lot of people. and pecker was saying this was actually in furtherance of something more serious. this wasn't the typical catch a story and kill it. there are probably reasons why you would take on a story, pay somebody for it and kill it, but pecker said the unfin
so what happened with mr. pecker this week is he made in inroads with the prosecution to show that trump definitely wanted to alter the selection. that these are important election crimes. he did not care about hiding this from his family, but he cared about winning the election. so that really buttressed the prosecutions case and now they go about the important, steady, less exciting work about linking up the transactions officially occurred and false records were on the books of trump's...
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mr pecker said he agreed to publish negative stories about mr trump's opponents, and crucially, to kill any negative stories about mr trump himself. his testimony will be important to prosecutors case as they try to establish there was a criminal conspiracy on donald trump's part to influence the election. donald trump's lawyers have said this is how newspapers work and nothing about this was illegal. donald trump has been sitting silently in court, but he has been fuming on social media. he has been fuming on social media. he has accused thejudge has been fuming on social media. he has accused the judge of trying to take away his free speech and came after that fiery hearing on the gagging order where, really, after that fiery hearing on the gagging orderwhere, really, donald trump's lawyers frustrated the judge to the point where he said they were losing credibility with the court. they try to argue that donald trump's posts were in a political response to his opponents. thejudge said they had not offered any evidence of that.— it is the most distant man—made object in the univers
mr pecker said he agreed to publish negative stories about mr trump's opponents, and crucially, to kill any negative stories about mr trump himself. his testimony will be important to prosecutors case as they try to establish there was a criminal conspiracy on donald trump's part to influence the election. donald trump's lawyers have said this is how newspapers work and nothing about this was illegal. donald trump has been sitting silently in court, but he has been fuming on social media. he...
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pecker reiterate that th was done to help donald trump's campaign. so looking at the morning session, the defense did not do enough to damage the prosecution's narrative. but ware only on the first witness so far. >> let's talk to former prosecutor joe miranda. good to have your insight. there was a lot of noise, we have heard a lot from donald trump outside of court, we've heard a lot from the prosecution laying out their case. are we clear about whichay this case could head? >> i would not put much stock in what donald trump says. he tends to use a lot of hyperbole and hope the reality follows. as far as we know about the case itself, the prosecution made a real point of going back to david packer and said these actions to protect donald trump or not done in a vacuum. they were done leading up to the 2016 election with the purpose of helping him get elected. that is a critical bridge the prosecution has to connect. they have to say these were not just routine books and records entries designed to cover up some kind of sleazy hush money payment, whi
pecker reiterate that th was done to help donald trump's campaign. so looking at the morning session, the defense did not do enough to damage the prosecution's narrative. but ware only on the first witness so far. >> let's talk to former prosecutor joe miranda. good to have your insight. there was a lot of noise, we have heard a lot from donald trump outside of court, we've heard a lot from the prosecution laying out their case. are we clear about whichay this case could head? >> i...
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so what mr. pecker testified to now allows the jury to link the former president two election fraud. >> is it a big deal? no, i don't think it's a big deal at all. john, quite frankly, a trial is all about whose stories makes more sense, whose story is more credible? >> who do i like better? >> and right now, this is all old news. it is a victimless crime. it is so old and i don't think it has any impact on the election. at all, which has all the former president really cares about. >> i'll come back to that point in just a second because you do raise some interesting questions that haven't been discussed in detail yet, but i want to stick to the testimony just now. michael moore to you, you do think it was important to make that campaign link? for the prosecution. what does it offense in cross need to do to undo the games that the prosecution made yeah. >> i'm glad to be with both ever this morning it was good testimony for the prosecution to get out and make that link. i mean, there is maybe a
so what mr. pecker testified to now allows the jury to link the former president two election fraud. >> is it a big deal? no, i don't think it's a big deal at all. john, quite frankly, a trial is all about whose stories makes more sense, whose story is more credible? >> who do i like better? >> and right now, this is all old news. it is a victimless crime. it is so old and i don't think it has any impact on the election. at all, which has all the former president really cares...
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they're right, mr. pecker, what happens is is that he of course, has testified already as to the doorman& in terms of whether he fathered a child that is trump noting that that was false. he testified about the whole situation involving karen mcdougal. that was the playboy model and trump's relationship and whether that we get out. and so to your point, the crescendo, i think that now begins with stormy daniels in terms of the whole entire thing about her being paid. and i think he continues that as mr. pecker& the prosecutor, to build up this notion that michael cohen was the conduit. he was acting on behalf of donald trump and corroborating cohen's testimony. so when college i'm testifies to exactly what pecker did, we can't say. he's a liar, liar, liar. that's not true. pecker already said it was because that laundry list you noted about that that makes michael cohen a public figure, also raises a heck of a lot of questions about his credibility that we know the defense is going to talk about joey ja
they're right, mr. pecker, what happens is is that he of course, has testified already as to the doorman& in terms of whether he fathered a child that is trump noting that that was false. he testified about the whole situation involving karen mcdougal. that was the playboy model and trump's relationship and whether that we get out. and so to your point, the crescendo, i think that now begins with stormy daniels in terms of the whole entire thing about her being paid. and i think he...
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the context was that mr. pecker and the national enquirer had helped mr. trump in silencing cases of stories before, and that immediately after access hollywood, all of a sudden, stormy daniels gets paid. so the idea is that pecker is putting trump in the room. it isn't just michael cohen and david pecker on their own. it's trump working with pecker and cohen to have a plan to silence these stories before the election, so that they would not affect the election, so that the government wants to say it's all about election interference and it's all it goes right to trump and the defense wants to say it's not election interference. and trump knew nothing. >> all right. i mean, there are different cases, but one can certainly say there's a narrative emerging there. professor david levine, thank you so much. appreciate it okay. >> anytime. thanks for having me. >> coming up next with olympic gold medalist and bay area native kristi yamaguchi. she's going to be joining us to talk about her latest honor. it's about this big she's a best selling author, children's
the context was that mr. pecker and the national enquirer had helped mr. trump in silencing cases of stories before, and that immediately after access hollywood, all of a sudden, stormy daniels gets paid. so the idea is that pecker is putting trump in the room. it isn't just michael cohen and david pecker on their own. it's trump working with pecker and cohen to have a plan to silence these stories before the election, so that they would not affect the election, so that the government wants to...
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we are also expected to hear again from mr. pecker. he is going to take the stand. how is he going to rule on a gag order? >> i will probably fine trump. is he not going to send him to the hughes cow. as far as bragg's case it's his theory crime for a defendant to suppress damaging information. are you kidding me? going on for more than two centuries. no such crime exists in the law instead he charges this caulk cockamamie. claims it was done in violation of another state law that prohibits conspiring to unlawfully promote a person's candidacy. well, first of all, trump is not charged with conspiracy, second the state law doesn't apply because it was a federal election. by the way the statute of limitations has run on that misdemeanor as well. finally, it's not unlawful to suppress a story. gee, joe biden did it in the 2020 election, suppressing the loont story. by the way, paying money to somebody in exchange for silence, that's perfectly legal. so, i think a fair judge would have dismissed this case long ago but juan merchan is either ignorant of the law or i thin
we are also expected to hear again from mr. pecker. he is going to take the stand. how is he going to rule on a gag order? >> i will probably fine trump. is he not going to send him to the hughes cow. as far as bragg's case it's his theory crime for a defendant to suppress damaging information. are you kidding me? going on for more than two centuries. no such crime exists in the law instead he charges this caulk cockamamie. claims it was done in violation of another state law that...
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i starting by asking him about mr pecker�*s testimony. this is part of the prosecution's basic case here, that this money that was paid to stormy daniels, the pawn to stormy daniels, the porn star, was paid to her for reasons of keeping the story quiet because of the election. now, that's why they say the payments were dressed up as something else, because they would they could look like illegal campaign contributions. now, what they're trying to do is to establish the background here and say that david pecker, the publisher, the then publisher of the national enquirer, was involved really in a sort of plan with donald trump and his lawyer, notjust to stop those negative stories about donald trump, but to promote positive stories before the election — and indeed to promote smears about some of his opponents, hillary clinton, the republican opponents like ted cruz. so, what they're trying to say is that this was part of a pattern that led to the situation with stormy daniels, which, of course, is the subject of this particular case. i al
i starting by asking him about mr pecker�*s testimony. this is part of the prosecution's basic case here, that this money that was paid to stormy daniels, the pawn to stormy daniels, the porn star, was paid to her for reasons of keeping the story quiet because of the election. now, that's why they say the payments were dressed up as something else, because they would they could look like illegal campaign contributions. now, what they're trying to do is to establish the background here and say...
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the campaign and mr. trump. >> david pecker is a very strong witness for the prosecution. he seems very solid on the stand. he certainly seems like he doesn't have any ax to grind with donald trump and seems almost apologetic for having to tell this story. >> reporter: on the stand, pecker said trump called him about another story he wanted kept quiet. that a former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who claimed to have had a ten month long affair with trump in 2006, which he denies. >> after we had been intimate, he tried to pin me, and i actually didn't know how to take that. >> reporter: four days before the 2016 election, "the wall street journal" reported that american media, which owned the "enquirer" at the time that had paid mcdougal $150,000 for the rights to her story, which was never published. in the gag order here, the prosecution argued trump should be held in contempt for all of his scathing commentary about this case. trump lawyer todd blanche said his client has been careful with his words.
the campaign and mr. trump. >> david pecker is a very strong witness for the prosecution. he seems very solid on the stand. he certainly seems like he doesn't have any ax to grind with donald trump and seems almost apologetic for having to tell this story. >> reporter: on the stand, pecker said trump called him about another story he wanted kept quiet. that a former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who claimed to have had a ten month long affair with trump in 2006, which he...
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and mr. trump steinglass also asked pecker about another catch and kill scheme, buying former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged year long relationship with trump. pecker described a phone call he had with trump after his colleague interviewed mcdougal, pecker said, i told him, i think you should buy it and trump responded saying, anytime he do anything like this, it always gets out. he said he would think about it and pecker would hear from cohen, trump denies having an affair with mcdougal, the morning started with a contentious hearing to determine if trump violated a gag order, not to talk about jurors or witnesses after he did so in social media posts, almost a dozen times which to me is totally constitutional. >> trump's lawyer, todd blanche said the order was not clear about reposts and he tried to argue that the former president was actually trying to comply with the order judge juan merchan exasperated with blanche's argument, scolded him and said, you're losing all
and mr. trump steinglass also asked pecker about another catch and kill scheme, buying former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged year long relationship with trump. pecker described a phone call he had with trump after his colleague interviewed mcdougal, pecker said, i told him, i think you should buy it and trump responded saying, anytime he do anything like this, it always gets out. he said he would think about it and pecker would hear from cohen, trump denies having an affair...
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they're going to say it was mr. pecker and mr. trump and mr. cohen who decided to take and buy the stories to make sure other people couldn't publicize them. mr. trump doesn't deny that meeting happened. he can't. but he is going to deny there was anything illegal about it, craig. >> laura jarrett for us there at the courthouse. laura, thank you. let's bring in senior washington correspondent hallie jackson and nbc news legal analyst danny cevallos. we will hear from danny pecker but the aforementioned michael cohen, the president's former fixer, a man who wrote a book called "revenge" about his former boss. he is also a convicted felon. >> much has been made of his lack of credibility and he has that problem, but prosecutors routinely use cooperating witnesses with much worse character issues than michael cohen. you will have trials and i have had these where the cooperating witness comes in in shackles and prison gear. the point is prosecutors often go to other bad guys to get testimony against the defendant bad guy that they want to convict.
they're going to say it was mr. pecker and mr. trump and mr. cohen who decided to take and buy the stories to make sure other people couldn't publicize them. mr. trump doesn't deny that meeting happened. he can't. but he is going to deny there was anything illegal about it, craig. >> laura jarrett for us there at the courthouse. laura, thank you. let's bring in senior washington correspondent hallie jackson and nbc news legal analyst danny cevallos. we will hear from danny pecker but the...
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mr pecker will be back on the stand on thursday, the court breaks tomorrow. at the same time, of course, donald trump's lawyers will be in the supreme court in washington arguing that he should have immunity in another criminal case he is facing, about the 6th of january. every which way this former president turns, reeta, he faces legal problems.— president turns, reeta, he faces legal problems. gary o'donoghue, many thanks- _ a man in iraq has started a landmark legal action against the uk oil company bp over the death of his 21—year—old son. hussein julood alleges that the burning—off of gas at a bp—run oilfield in iraq — a practice known as flaring — caused his son ali's leukaemia. a bbc investigation in 2022 found that ali's village, which lies within the field of rumaila in southern iraq, had high levels of cancer—causing pollutants known to come from flaring. bp says it understands the concerns and that it is continuing to support the operator to reduce flaring at the oil field. esme stallard has the story. ali julood was a happy child
mr pecker will be back on the stand on thursday, the court breaks tomorrow. at the same time, of course, donald trump's lawyers will be in the supreme court in washington arguing that he should have immunity in another criminal case he is facing, about the 6th of january. every which way this former president turns, reeta, he faces legal problems.— president turns, reeta, he faces legal problems. gary o'donoghue, many thanks- _ a man in iraq has started a landmark legal action against the uk...
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that this was all done on redirect and had mr pecker reiterate that this was all done to help donald trump's campaign. and so looking at the morning session, the defence didn't do really enough, i think, to damage the prosecution's narrative. but of course, we are only on the first witness so far. i'm joined by laurie levenson, former federal prosecutor and professor of law at loyola marymount university in los angeles. you've been watching donald trump this trial in new york. what do you make of it so far? i this trial in new york. what do you make of it so far?— make of it so far? i think it's an uncomfortable _ make of it so far? i think it's an uncomfortable place _ make of it so far? i think it's an uncomfortable place for- make of it so far? i think it's an - uncomfortable place for donald trump to be because he is not in charge. even though he would interact with his lawyers, he cannot help himself from having a skull on his face. the donald trump you see there on the campaign trail is not the donald trump in a courtroom as the witnesses point to him as the architect of the
that this was all done on redirect and had mr pecker reiterate that this was all done to help donald trump's campaign. and so looking at the morning session, the defence didn't do really enough, i think, to damage the prosecution's narrative. but of course, we are only on the first witness so far. i'm joined by laurie levenson, former federal prosecutor and professor of law at loyola marymount university in los angeles. you've been watching donald trump this trial in new york. what do you make...
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mr pecker explained that with the jury, explained how he had been in cahoots with mr trump for many years, frankly, for the system of catching these stories, stopping news stories, paying for news stories and doing all of that in furtherance of getting donald trump elected president. getting donald trump elected resident. �* , , ., president. because it is not the hush — president. because it is not the hush money _ president. because it is not the hush money payment i president. because it is not i the hush money payment itself, so called hush money, that is illegal, it was allegedly covered up and linked into a broader scheme, which the president said was meant to affect the election, is that right? affect the election, is that riuht? ., �* , right? that's right, the payment _ right? that's right, the payment itself - right? that's right, the payment itself is i right? that's right, the payment itself is not . right? that's right, the i payment itself is not illegal, so what the da is alleging here is that trump and his team falsified business records in connection with those reco
mr pecker explained that with the jury, explained how he had been in cahoots with mr trump for many years, frankly, for the system of catching these stories, stopping news stories, paying for news stories and doing all of that in furtherance of getting donald trump elected president. getting donald trump elected resident. �* , , ., president. because it is not the hush — president. because it is not the hush money _ president. because it is not the hush money payment i president. because it...
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mr. trump ahead of the 2016 election, encounters he denies. >> are you nervous about stormy daniels' testimony? >> reporter: at the heart of the case, a $130,000 payment cohen made to daniels so she wouldn't go public and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. but graff shed no light on that. graff testified even though she no longer works for the trump organization, the company is paying her legal bills. the jury also hearing from gary farro, who helped facilitate the payment from cohen to daniels, but the day began with them trying to undercut the testimony of david pecker, former publisher of "the national enquirer" and key witness for prosecutors testifying at length about how he helped silence people who could have hurt mr. trump's election chances. mr. trump's lawyer sought to raise questions about pecker's memory and motives on cross-examination. pecker defiant at one point saying, i've been truthful to the best of my recollection. the tabloid mogul also undermining the id
mr. trump ahead of the 2016 election, encounters he denies. >> are you nervous about stormy daniels' testimony? >> reporter: at the heart of the case, a $130,000 payment cohen made to daniels so she wouldn't go public and how prosecutors say that payment was disguised. but graff shed no light on that. graff testified even though she no longer works for the trump organization, the company is paying her legal bills. the jury also hearing from gary farro, who helped facilitate the...
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he asked and that is why you decided to pay mr. sajudin $30,000, correct? pecker answered, yes. bovee, because you could not have him taking his story to another publication if it was true, right? pecker, that's correct. bove, it would be too great a loss to ami to lose control of such a story if it were true, right? >> yes. they had yet to explain how this agreement was anything other than standard. pecker admitted to having coordinated thousands of nondisclosure agreements, suppressing stories to help a friend or use as leverage with a celebrity, he was asked by prosecutor joshua steinglass, how many did you coordinate with the presidential candidate for the benefit of a campaign? pecker, it's the only one. steinglass, prior to the arrangement with trump in august 2015, did you ever preview with a candidate positive stories about that candidate or negative stories about that candidate's opponents pecker, no. steinglass, prior to that arrangement, did you ever allow a candidate to accept or reject articles? pecker, no. steinglass, prior to the meeting, did ami ever agree to be
he asked and that is why you decided to pay mr. sajudin $30,000, correct? pecker answered, yes. bovee, because you could not have him taking his story to another publication if it was true, right? pecker, that's correct. bove, it would be too great a loss to ami to lose control of such a story if it were true, right? >> yes. they had yet to explain how this agreement was anything other than standard. pecker admitted to having coordinated thousands of nondisclosure agreements, suppressing...
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but look, in every kind of instance, the prosecution came back on redirect and had mr pecker reiterate that this was all done to help donald trump's campaign. and so looking at the morning session, the defence didn't do really enough, i think, to damage the prosecution's narrative. but of course, we're only on the first witness so far. i'm joined by formalfederal prosecutor, joe moreno. jo, jo, good to have your analysis on the programme tonight. give us a sense of what we learned this week because there was a lot of noise, we heard a lot from donald trump outside of court, a lot from the prosecution laying out their case. how we any clearer on it which way this could head?— how we any clearer on it which way this could head? well, ben, i would not ut this could head? well, ben, i would not put too — this could head? well, ben, i would not put too much _ this could head? well, ben, i would not put too much stock _ this could head? well, ben, i would not put too much stock in _ this could head? well, ben, i would not put too much stock in what - not put too much stock in what donald
but look, in every kind of instance, the prosecution came back on redirect and had mr pecker reiterate that this was all done to help donald trump's campaign. and so looking at the morning session, the defence didn't do really enough, i think, to damage the prosecution's narrative. but of course, we're only on the first witness so far. i'm joined by formalfederal prosecutor, joe moreno. jo, jo, good to have your analysis on the programme tonight. give us a sense of what we learned this week...
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and i thought i read or heard that mr. pecker stumbled into some type of meeting in the white house. were director comey and secretary pompeii or were there and the prosecution seems to be saying, well, you're in the meeting with two big officials. i mean, that doesn't make him a coconspirator that makes some forrest gump i mean, the guy stumbling around and walks into a meeting that's proof of nothing. so i don't know that pecker's testimony was that damaging so far, i suspect they'll fill in the gaps or attempt to fill them in with cohen. and i suspect that we'll see a much more aggressive line of cross-examination with them so jurors are being shown emails right now between cohen and pharaoh setting up a bank account for resolution consultants, llc everyone stick with me. we're close to wrapping for the week in the manhattan hush money cover up for i'll keep it here as we watch prosecutors try to finish out as the court adjourns for the weekend, three-day weekend for the jury. we're back in a moment the white house corr
and i thought i read or heard that mr. pecker stumbled into some type of meeting in the white house. were director comey and secretary pompeii or were there and the prosecution seems to be saying, well, you're in the meeting with two big officials. i mean, that doesn't make him a coconspirator that makes some forrest gump i mean, the guy stumbling around and walks into a meeting that's proof of nothing. so i don't know that pecker's testimony was that damaging so far, i suspect they'll fill in...
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finally mr pecker's testimony i thought was interesting. i haven't seen anything to convince me that mr trump is guilty but i do for a little bit. i think he's laying out the story. the prosecution thinks that if they can show that there was an agreement amongst a few people including president trump or at least in between the teams around payments for certain things to either kill stories or plant stories, all in an effort to benefit the campaign i think you said well judge, he assumed that all of this was for the campaign and not to protect his family. which is where the legal... begins to come in. i understand what the team is trying to do and we will see if they get there. mr trump has got to be pleased with how he's entering the courtroom because the pictures, the objects of him campaigning are about as powerful as good as he can do not being on the campaign trail. >> and endorsement of donald trump from harold ford junior. >> i'm saying he's done a good job campaigning. >> coming up... is treating the indictments like the bible. ♪ â
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pecker, that one point, mr. trump said in addition to the campaign millennials need to hear about this. it's only need is for that m&ms. yes, he was concerned about melannie. he was concerned about baron because it's gotta be that the expenditure is 100% for him to become president of the united states. i'm sorry, that's wrong. that's just not the law. it does not have to be 100%. i see jeffries agreeing with me. it does not have to be 100% campaign related. those campaigns should be both. >> i wanted to predict the campaign, but also i was worried about my wife. yes. >> the campaign has to be a substantial factor, does not but three, 100% and nobody would ever be able to prove that my view of david pecker today as he was a rock solid start for the prosecutors. you're not going to win your case that the first witness, it's a mistake to try to do that. i agree that if the case ended right now, we'd have no crime made out. >> so he's sort of setting the table exactly what i think he did. >> that was really the int
pecker, that one point, mr. trump said in addition to the campaign millennials need to hear about this. it's only need is for that m&ms. yes, he was concerned about melannie. he was concerned about baron because it's gotta be that the expenditure is 100% for him to become president of the united states. i'm sorry, that's wrong. that's just not the law. it does not have to be 100%. i see jeffries agreeing with me. it does not have to be 100% campaign related. those campaigns should be both....